Monday, January 30, 2017

The African American Fire Union is NOT Happy with Chief Allen



22 comments:

Anonymous said...

They need to stop their whining about every little thing. I don't see the big deal. How bout bring up real problems and get over yourselves.

Fed up with Pensacola said...

I am not African-American but I am a relocated Yankee and this deeply, deeply disturbs and offends me. I am not happy my tax dollars paid for that.

George Hawthorne said...

Wow! Chief Schmidt and Chief Glover will probably use this in their lawsuit "Plaintiff's Exhibit _"

Anonymous said...

Regardless as to whether or not tax dollars were spent, it was a sign of poor leadership and questionable judgment by the chief. There has been a disturbing pattern of intolerance and racism unveiled at the fire department over many years. To lack the common sense to know that someone could be offended is amazing. It's hard to fathom how people in positions of authority still just don't get it. Ignorance does not equal harmlessness and therefore should not be simply overlooked. What's puzzling to me is how the definition of sexual harassment is so broad and how the victim has a lot to say in determining what constitutes an act of sexual harassment. On the other hand, victims of racist acts and acts of discrimination rarely get to make that determination.

Anonymous said...

You'd think that with all of the negative attention that the fire department has gotten in the past over racial issues things like this wouldn't keep happening.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone really surprised about this? After all, it was revealed on this blog that chief Allen has a history of making racial slurs. It sounds like this is all a part of the department's culture supported by the city.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, and not so much as a slap on the wrist or a comment from Hayward who obviously confones this.

Anonymous said...

How about the Pensacola Police badge still having the Confederate flag on it in the year of our Lord 2017? The mere fact that police are stomping around violating the civil rights of innocent young black men while wearing such a powerful symbol of hate speaks volumes towards the intolerance of the local criminal justice community.

Anonymous said...


It is not a "racist act" but a historical FACT that the fifth flag that flew over Pensacola was a confederate flag. To be historically correct, the actual flag used should be substituted for the battle flag which never flew over Pensacola. Some of you want to dream up "alternative facts" as that seems to be a popular pastime these days. If you are "deeply, deeply disturbed and offended" by history my advice to you is to seek some place on earth (or perhaps a different planet) where there is no history that offends your sensibilities. But before you go, please turn your attention to changing the names of Columbus, Ohio, Columbia University, and the Columbia River to names that do not glorify this hemisphere's first slave trader and the originator of so much agony to so many Africans.

Anonymous said...

Okay, this ^ comment is both dumb and racist! No wonder there are so many idiots still perpetuating this kind of hatred. Leave history for the HISTORY BOOKS and MUSEUMS, not on coins distributed to those who have been the targets of racism and discrimination. Stop trying to use "history" as a convenient excuse. The 13-Star flag became the Official United States Flag on June 14th, 1777 and is the result of the congressional action that took place on that date. In fact, there were at least three variations of that flag from 1777-1795 but I have yet to see any of those displayed. If you want to display the confederate flag on your property that's your business but they have no place in or on public property especially in the workplace paid for by tax dollars. Nooses are also a "Historical Fact" and a symbol of the that same "history". Shall we openly display those as well? What about racial slurs like the "N" word which is another part of "your" proud heritage? After all African Americans shouldn't be so sensitive and we shouldn't be so concerned about being PC. What's so amazing is the fact that people like you want to forget about slavery and not discuss the lasting effects of it but at the same time defend what it symbolizes. We remove slavery from the "history books" in school but proudly display the flag that symbolizes it. You talk out of both sides of your mouth and say whatever fits your political agenda. When ignorant people run out of things to say they always revert to telling people who don't like it they need to go somewhere else. Just a reminder - Y'ALL LOST THAT WAR RESOUNDINGLY AND NEED TO GET OVER THAT HISTORICAL FACT! MAYBE YOU NEED TO LEAVE!

Anonymous said...

Fitting start to "Black History" month in Pensacola. Another great job by Chief Allen and Mayor Hayward.

Fed up with Pensacola said...

I have dealt with the "Yankee go back where you came from" attitude for 20 years now. I am a property tax paying citizen of the City of Pensacola, and yes, it deeply disturbs and offends me that money I paid in taxes went to this coin. That flag, yes was a battle flag, but has since become a symbol of hatred. Not just racism, but flat out hatred.

Anonymous said...

Recently there was a video clip of the Mayor and other officials including David Allen who are going to participate by mentoring in Big Brother Big Sisters of Northwest Florida. When Mel Waters(anyone remember him I don't think he lasted a year)was Interim Chief, he decided that the firefighters would go in their trucks to visit elementary schools to mentor the children. It is a well-known fact that DAVID ALLEN REFUSED to get out of the truck and go into the school. I guess those children were beneath him. I'm glad he isn't going to mentor any child of mine. THAT IS THE REAL DAVID ALLEN. I can't help but think back to Joe Glover speaking to the City Council about how his treatment by the Mayor and the City of Pensacola looked to the young man he was mentoring. How hard it was to explain to him why Joe would be treated this way. Shameful!

Anonymous said...


Uh, the 13-star flag and the 3 variations you mentioned never flew over Pensacola. That's why you don't see them displayed by the city. Pensacola goes by the motto "City of Five Flags," and has done so for some time. If we want to continue to use that motto we can't exactly leave off one of the flags, can we? And by the way, all of the five countries represented on those flags employed slavery in the New World.

No, I do not want to "forget about slavery." I study it often. I don't know of any cases where slavery has been removed from the history books, as you claim. Yes, slavery, the Civil Way, Reconstruction, and the Jim Crow period that followed all had lasting effects. We should never forget what happened yesterday, but what really counts is what we do today.

Anonymous said...


Dear Fed Up with Pensacola -

I cannot tell you how disturbed I am to hear that you are disturbed to see a flag on a coin. You are correct. The battle flag is incorrect. It should be replaced with the correct CSA flag. But you are incorrect to insinuate that I told you to go back to where you came from. Just as you are "Fed Up with Pensacola" I am sure that you were just as fed up with wherever you came from before here. What I suggested is that you find an isolated island in the South Pacific, preferable one that is flagless.

Anonymous said...

Uh, the operative word is "FLEW" which means that it is a part of history that belongs in history books and museums. Obviously, you're not aware of what's being taught and not taught in school now. Just because Pensacola is the "City of Five Flags" doesn't mean that any flag of the Confederacy should be displayed today because of what it represents. Those individuals did not want to be a part of America and those who still feel an allegiance to it should take their flag and find a place outside of America where what it symbolizes is welcome. Again, stop using history as an excuse!

Anonymous said...


Sorry, your statements are nonsensical as illustrated by the quote below.

"Just because Pensacola is the 'City of Five Flags' doesn't mean that any flag of the Confederacy should be displayed..."

The FACT that Pensacola is the "The City of Five Flags" is exactly why the city HAS to display a CSA flag. Unless, of course, you are a believer of "alternative facts." If you HATE the CSA flag then you must also HATE the USA flag, because the USA allowed slavery for a much, much longer time than the CSA even existed. And, of course, you must especially HATE the flag of Spain as that country adopted slavery from the first landing of Christopher Columbus. The British flag flew over the same slave plantations that later raised the USA flag, so you must add the British flag to your list of HATED pieces of cloth. The French had slaves as well, so add them to your HATE list. If you stop to think about it, I am sure that you will find something to HATE about everything surrounding your life.

The five flags that few over Pensacola REPRESENT our history and our heritage, no matter how dark they may have been at various times. They represent HATE only if your mind makes it so. Have a nice life!

Anonymous said...

I actually love America minus the bigotry and hatred perpetuated and excused by people like you. I've actually had generations of my family members defend this country on the battlefield. Your comment that "because Pensacola is the 'City of Five Flags' it has to display the five flags is ridiculous. Where is that law written? Your argument makes zero sense because based on you theory, if something is determined to be inappropriate for whatever reason, there's nothing that can be done about it. For you to act like you are unaware of the connection between the Confederate Flag, the KKK, hatred and bigotry is typical. Or maybe you have some additional "alternative facts". Perhaps if you were on the other side of racism you'd understand and be a bit more tolerant.

Fed up with Pensacola said...

Dear Person Who Wants Me to Move to the South Pacific,
I moved here as a minor, I had no choice. I stayed because I inherited the house shortly after becoming an adult. I continue to stay because I have no blood relatives, but my husband has a very large family here and I feel it is important that our children have a sense of cousins, aunts, uncle's, grandparents, etc.
Where I am from, the Civil War is just another chapter in the history books, like the American Revolution or the French and Indian War. It is the past, and should remain there.
As far as all the Columbus names go, I don't live in those places, I live here.
First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is freedom of speech. I CAN say what I feel, legally, just as you have been doing. I do not think people should have to move to South Pacific Islands because they don't agree with me. It's what makes this country great.
And I am so sorry, person that wants me to move, that a war that happened centuries ago still means so much to you.
The British got over the fact they lost. Perhaps, you should vacation in England and get lessons on being a graceful loser.
Sincerely,
Fed Up With Pensacola

Anonymous said...

^Very well said! However, I would just caution you not to expect any level of intelligence or worthwhile conversation from those who are proponents of the Rebel flag. A am not an African-American but I find it repulsive just like other parts of history that do not need to be displayed openly.

Anonymous said...

Chief Redding gave the coins to the Retired Firefighters of Pensacola on Wednesday, he made a special trip to give it to them and they were extremely happy to receive the coins, GOB's stick together no matter what happens.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if any black retirees were invited? Nah, probably just a friendly clan meeting of good ole boys reminiscing of the good old days and what they use to do to the blacks.