Thursday, July 7, 2016

Some Good News For 800 E Jackson from the ARB

Who is a winner in the recent ARB Sunday House ruling by Judge Bergosh!

The homeowner at 800 E. Jackson Street!  In May, her request for a wooden privacy fence with gate was tabled by the ARB.

Ms. Dean and Mr. Phillips, no need for a site plan and chain link will be just fine.  After 31 days, your request was administratively approved.

Congratulations!

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just waiting for everyone who ever had an ARB application tabled to now sue the City.

Anonymous said...


If you look at the house at 800 E. Jackson you will see that it already has a rusty chain link fence. This homeowner is actually trying to improve the appearance of her home and the entire neighborhood by removing the rusty chain link fence and adding a wooden fence. A wooden fence, by the way, is an expensive improvement.

GRIPE #1 - Why in hell does this woman have to go through a bureaucratic nightmare just to install a (nicer) fence in her back yard? Fences are already regulated by Pensacola's zoning ordinances and the ARB is just an additional layer of BS. It is an absolute absurdity that this woman has to go hat-in-hand before a board, pay a fee, waste time at a meeting, only to have a group of know-nothings pick and poke at her idea to improve her own property!

GRIPE #2 - Why in hell did the ARB table her request? That means she has to come back for a second trip through the wringer. Oh, that's right, they wouldn't approve her fence unless she submitted a site plan. Since she does not know how to draw a site plan she will have to hire and pay someone to do this for her. OMG, there's Johnny-On-The-Spot Carter Quina offering his services to her after the meeting! Or (and this makes far too much sense) the ARB members could have just looked on Google Earth like I did and seen what her property looked like. When the chairman of the ARB tells us that the board is really there to help citizens, is this what he is talking about?

Most citizens have never been through the hell-hole of over-regulation that exists in the City of Pensacola. This is the type of crap that leads people to invest their money anywhere except the city of Pensacola!

Anonymous said...

The ARB application called for a site plan. One would be required with proof of your survey in order to pull your permit to build the fence regardless of what neighborhood the fence was being built. How hard was it to read and follow instructions? Take a drive up 'T' Street and see what some folks think are appropriate fence materials and you will realize why our City's Historic Districts need to have our municipal ordinances followed - because everyone's idea of a 'purdy' fence isn't always the same and for those of us who have invested major money in our historic homes, we don't want to live next to someone who builds a fence out of old garage doors or plywood panels as seen around town.

Anonymous said...

At some point this has to become criminal...

Anonymous said...

Just another city board shielding council and staff from their responsibilities. It is far past time to sunset the ARB. Look how they allowed the awful BLAB facade several years ago - sticks out like a sore thumb on the South Palafox promenade. How in the hell did that happen?

Anonymous said...

A chain link fence is absolutely allowed in the back and side areas of properties in that area. If they were replacing an old fence why was a sight plan required? Was the original fence in the wrong place?

Anonymous said...

Just another city board shielding council and staff from their responsibilities. It is far past time to sunset the ARB. Look how they allowed the awful BLAB facade several years ago - sticks out like a sore thumb on the South Palafox promenade. How in the hell did that happen?

Anonymous said...


"The ARB application called for a site plan." Really? And did God, Himself, write that ARB application?

"How hard was it to read and follow instructions?" Gee, what empathy you show toward your fellow human beings! For 99.9% of the citizens of Pensacola it would be a daunting task to produce a "site plan" for their homes. How many of you reading this can put your hands on a survey for your home?

"... everyone's idea of a 'purdy' fence isn't always the same and for those of us who have invested major money in our historic homes." Well la-de-da! I am pretty sure that I have invested more money in my home than you have in yours. Does that give me the right to dictate what your house should look like? Does that give me the God-given right to tell you that you have to paint your house a certain color? What about your car? Should the ARB dictate that you have to replace your car every three years because those of us who are obviously better than you don't want to see anything but new cars in "our" neighborhood?

In truth, the City of Pensacola already has a fence ordinance. It is covered in Section 12-2-40 of the Land Development Code. No one can build fences in the city out of "old garage doors or plywood panels." The city's application has a simple "site plan" that allows the home owner to sketch the outline of their proposed fence. Jumping through hoops for the ARB is redundant and lacks any semblance of common sense! Especially since all ARB requirements can be by-passed if you are a Special Snowflake.

Anonymous said...

You are trying to make this a money or class issue which it isn't. These are historic districts and have ordinances in effect. They aren't everyone's cup of tea just like living in a restrictive subdivision with cookie cutter housing that all looks just alike where their restrictive covenants don't allow a basketball hoop on the garage isn't my cup of tea. When you buy into a neighborhood with restrictions in place, you have to abide by them. Don't like it, don't buy there. You are absolutely correct, the applicant can draw a simply site plan, it doesn't require spending money. There are no paint color restrictions in Old East Hill Preservation District. There hasn't been a paint application denied by the ARB. The fact of the matter is that the Mayor is furious with the ARB because they stood in the way of his campaign contributor and the Mayor is faking all this 'sudden displeasure' with the ARB Board. As for the fence issue, go to the corner of MLK and West Gonzalez and check out the plywood panels used for their fence which are no delaminating. It's real purdy. It was permitted by City Inspections. Don't even try to say it's an impoverished property owner, he's a retired Judge.

NotaGOB said...

^^Anonymous @ 8:44 AM.....All surveys of homes and lots are submitted upon applying for a permitting for construction. Two copies are submitted, one for the city and one the Contractor gets back to do the work. I was my own contractor so I have a copy of every piece of documentation that was required for getting a permit. The one copy stays on file with the city and many of the aspects are easy to find online at the Property Appraisers website. Whenever a piece of property changes hand a survey has to be made and submitted with the transfer of deed and title work. Most fence contractors pull all permits required to do a fence placement these days and the reason we require this permit for a simple fence is so someone doesn't build that fence on the wrong side of the property line.

Anonymous said...


Well, Anonymous @10:40, there is no possibility of West Gonzales Street intersecting MLK. If you are referring to EAST Gonzales at MLK there are no plywood fences there either. Are you referring to the plywood dumpster screen next to the neighborhood store? Which do you prefer the least, the (a.) plywood dumpster screen, (b.) exposed dumpsters, (c.) metal storage building that pokes out to the sidewalk, (d.) exposed ductwork on the roof, (e.) gorgeous red roof, (f.) signage that plasters the walls, or (g.) all of the above? Personally, I think that you could have made that dumpster screen out of gold and it wouldn't have added anything to the aesthetics of that corner. But, guess what? That neighborhood store was there a long time before you "invested" in your house. The store isn't going anywhere. Maybe you should go somewhere else! Someplace where everything is just the way you want it to be....